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Reading List for Series on Suffering and Evil

by Jeremy Langill on Sep.23, 2009, under Books

Here are some of the various books we are reading as we go through our series on suffering and evil:

John’s reading list:

Alcorn, Randy. If God is Good: Faith in the midst of suffering and evil

http://www.amazon.com/If-God-Good-Faith-Suffering/dp/160142132X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729596&sr=1-1

Alden, Robert. New American Commentary: Job

http://www.amazon.com/Job-American-Commentary-Robert-Alden/dp/0805401113/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729418&sr=8-1

Ankerberg, John & Burroughs, Dillon. Why does God allow Suffering and Evil?

http://www.amazon.com/Allow-Suffering-Contenders-Bible-Study/dp/0899577822/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729648&sr=1-1

Boyd, Gregory. Is God to blame?: Moving beyond pat answers to the problem of evil

http://www.amazon.com/God-Blame-Moving-Answers-Problem/dp/0830823948/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729677&sr=1-1

Carson, D. A. How Long, O Lord?: Reflections on suffering and evil

http://www.amazon.com/How-Long-Lord-Reflections-Suffering/dp/0801031257/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729712&sr=1-1

Ehrman, Bart. God’s Problem: How the Bible fails to answer our most important question–why we suffer

http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Problem-Answer-Important-Question-Why/dp/0061173924/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729768&sr=1-1

Lewis, C. S. The Problem of Pain

http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Pain-C-S-Lewis/dp/0060652969/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729801&sr=1-1

McGill, Arthur. Suffering: A test of theological method

http://www.amazon.com/Suffering-Theological-Arthur-C-McGill/dp/1597529451/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729831&sr=1-1

Meyers, Jeffrey. Ecclesiastes through new eyes: A table in the mist

http://www.amazon.com/Ecclesiastes-Through-New-Eyes-Table/dp/0975391445/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253729352&sr=1-1

Jeremy’s reading list:

Adams, Marilyn McCord. Horrendous Evils and the Goodness of God

http://www.amazon.com/Horrendous-Goodness-Cornell-Philosophy-Religion/dp/0801486866/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253730619&sr=1-1

Keller, Catherine. God and Power: Counter-apocalyptic journeys

http://www.amazon.com/God-Power-Counter-Apocalyptic-Catherine-Keller/dp/0800637275/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253730654&sr=1-1

Kierkegaard, Soren. Fear and Trembling

http://www.amazon.com/Fear-Trembling-Repetition-Kierkegaards-Writings/dp/0691020264/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253730570&sr=1-5

Suchocki, Marjorie. The End of Evil: Process eschatology in historical context

http://www.amazon.com/End-Evil-Eschatology-Historical-Philosophy/dp/1597522678/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253730543&sr=1-1

Wilson, Gerald H. New International Biblical Commentary: Job

http://www.amazon.com/Job-Nibc-International-Biblical-Commentary/dp/1565632192/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253730391&sr=1-2

Wright, J. R. Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old Testament IX–Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon

http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Commentary-Scripture-Testament-Ecclesiastes/dp/0830814795/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253730512&sr=1-1

As our reading list grows, I will make sure to add those items. If you have questions about the topics generally covered in these books, please send an email to Exodus or respond to this post. Thanks!

Jeremy L.


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What could God do?

by Jeremy Langill on Sep.07, 2009, under Problem of Evil, Sunday Nights, Thoughts

Last night we spent a considerable amount of time discussing what God could do, specifically as it relates to the problem of evil in the world. For most Christians, they are fairly comfortable with the idea that God is not only the creator and author of all things, but knows what will happen to each of us (perfectly) and the choices that we will make. Naturally, this line of thinking can lead us to some important philosophical issues, specifically that if God is all powerful and knows all things then isn’t God, at the end of the picture, at least responsible for the problem of evil.

Let us consider the following thought:

God (by God’s very nature) can do whatever God wants to do.

God, being all powerful, creates the world that we live in.

Let’s stop here for a moment. I realize that many thinkers disagree on these characteristics of God, but for the sake of the argument, let’s assume that the vast majority of Christians think about God this way, having little or no training in different theological perspectives that view the very nature of God differently.

The question that quickly comes up for me is, if God could create in any way possible, why did God create the world in the way that God did? For example, it is possible to conceive of a creation where there was no “original” sin, where the world never existed as “fallen”, where there existed none of the conceptual frameworks and boundaries that are common to our Christian understanding (i.e., freewill, grace, mercy, etc.). It is possible to conceive of a world where God simply created us perfectly, free from the issues that disturb us today.

On this picture, wouldn’t God be ultimately responsible for the evil that exists in the world today? To be sure, some would instantly argue with me, that it is precisely because God did not create that perfect world that we can know that God “values” the qualities of our life (grace, mercy, freewill) that we define as key components of our relationship with God. However, God only “values” (if we can even say that we know that God values anything from us at all) those things that we understand in this creative construct. In other words, if we lived in the perfect world mentioned previously then we would not understand God in the way that we understand God now–the rules of the game, so to speak, would be entirely different. The language and grammar of our very existence would not be the same. Comparing what we think God values of us in this world to what we think God would value of us in a different creative construct would be like comparing apples to oranges. Just because we define our existence now by a certain set of terms does not mean that we would do the same thing had the world been created entirely different.

That God created the world that God did does not mean God could not have created it differently, since by our earlier definition, God’s creative ability is unrestricted and unfettered. Our created status only has significance insofar as it is wholly dependent on God as its source. We may still ask, why didn’t the source create differently? The fact that we value this current existence says nothing about whether or not God could have done it differently or even values it in the same way that we do.

Thus, the problem still exists–if God could have created the world differently then, logically speaking, God could have created a world just as meaningful as the one we live in now, only without the evil, sin, and suffering we experience now–the question still remains as to why God did not do this.

There are, by the way, philosophical arguments which address this very question. Some have argued that this creation is in fact the “best of all possible worlds” while others have said we need to change our notions of the character and creative qualities of God. This post is far too long to go into all of those details, but as we continue on through our series of suffering and evil, hopefully we will have a chance to explore those options as well.

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